Louras: I fully buy into the concept of smart growth. It's traditional, clustered development in city centers and town centers. I do say the 's' word, sprawl ... it's bad for city development.
Maintaining our traditional, clustered development in Vermont. It adds to our identity. The core of downtown is the core of the larger community and I will do whatever I can to make sure that core is maintained.
Trapeni: Obviously we don't have smart growth right now.
I brought it up two years ago, I don't understand why we're not encouraging putting people in the upstairs levels of those buildings.
I know the issue is that Rutland Town is getting all the development. I look at it this way as a businessman, those people who are working at Staples and Hannafords, a lot of them live in the city. They need a job, and it just so happens its in Rutland Town.
I think to say that urban sprawl or that type of sprawl we have down there on 7 is bad, I just don't buy it. ... I don't care if they do that type of business from here to the airport. We just don't have any type of space to have those types of businesses in the city.
Follow up from Randal: What about the condos being developed in the Sunshine building?
Trapeni: "That project on Wales Street is leaving something unfinished. They don't have any kitchens, any bathrooms."
He said that he had an elderly man come in and inquire about the cost of putting in a kitchen and bathroom, and was discouraged to hear the cost.
Louras: "It is to some degree build it and it may come. What was happening before wasn't working."
There are other places downtown, privately owned, where individuals currently do live downtown. He said it's a program that can and will work but it's new to the city and "we're still trying things."